| <- 社交登陆。【论坛使用帮助】 |
司法部长威廉-巴尔与特朗普分手的内幕
唐纳德特朗普是一个对他认为背叛他的人充满不满的人,但很少有背叛比他的司法部长对他的所作所为更能激怒他。对特朗普来说,最无情的削减是威廉·巴尔站出来宣布 2020 年大选中没有普遍存在的欺诈行为,而总统正试图通过声称选举被盗来推翻乔·拜登的胜利。
在今年春天对我的一系列采访中,巴尔第一次谈到了他与特朗普决裂的事件。我还与特朗普白宫和司法部的其他高级官员进行了交谈,他们提供了有关巴尔的行为和前总统爆炸性反应的更多细节。巴尔和他身边的人有理由讲述他对这个故事的看法。他被广泛视为特朗普的走狗,将司法部政治化。但是当大选之后的大时刻出现时,他藐视总统,谁希望他做他的竞标。
巴尔的背叛发生在 12 月 1 日,当时在司法部的美联社记者迈克尔·巴尔萨莫 (Michael Balsamo) 与司法部长的私人餐厅共进午餐。出席会议的还有 DOJ 参谋长 Will Levi 和发言人 Kerri Kupec。巴尔萨莫没有被告知邀请的原因。当巴尔在几口沙拉之间丢下他的重磅炸弹时,他喃喃自语,巴尔萨莫不确定他是否听懂了司法部长所说的话。
“只是说清楚一点,”巴尔萨莫问道,“你是在说——”
“先生,我认为你最好重复一下你刚才说的话,”库佩克插嘴。
“迄今为止,我们还没有看到可能在选举中产生不同结果的欺诈行为,”巴尔重复道。这一次巴尔萨莫听到了他的声音。
巴尔萨莫的故事在午餐结束后不久出现在美联社新闻专线上:“司法部长威廉巴尔周二宣布,美国司法部没有发现可能改变 2020 年大选结果的广泛存在的选民欺诈证据,驳斥了唐纳德特朗普一贯毫无根据的主张。
这个故事让总统的说法出现了漏洞。没有人认真质疑巴尔的保守派资历,或者他是否曾是特朗普最忠诚的内阁秘书之一。他的结论发出了一个明确的信息,即推翻选举的努力是没有价值的。
巴尔告诉我,共和党参议院领袖米奇麦康奈尔自 11 月中旬以来一直敦促他大声疾呼。在公开场合,麦康奈尔并没有批评特朗普的指控,但他告诉巴尔,特朗普的主张正在损害国家和共和党。特朗普拒绝让步使麦康奈尔确保共和党赢得定于 1 月 5 日在佐治亚州举行的两次决选的努力复杂化。
对麦康奈尔来说,保持对参议院的控制权的道路很简单:共和党人需要提出一个论点,即拜登即将进入白宫,他们在参议院拥有多数席位以检查他的权力至关重要。但麦康奈尔也认为,如果他公开宣布拜登为获胜者,特朗普会被激怒,并可能采取行动破坏佐治亚州共和党参议院的竞选活动。巴尔向我讲述了他与麦康奈尔的谈话。麦康奈尔证实了这一说法。
“听着,我们需要乔治亚州的总统,”麦康奈尔告诉巴尔,“所以我们现在不能正面攻击他。但是你可以更好地为这种情况注入一些现实。你真的是唯一能做到的。”
“我明白这一点,”巴尔说。 “而且我会在适当的时候去做。”
在另一个电话中,麦康奈尔再次恳求巴尔出面驳斥普遍存在的欺诈行为。
“比尔,我环顾四周,你是唯一能做到的人,”麦康奈尔告诉他。
司法部参谋长列维也一直敦促巴尔反驳特朗普的说法。但巴尔没有公开表示他不同意总统关于选举的意见。事实上,在选举后的一周,他为检察官调查“可能影响选举结果”的投票违规行为的“重大指控”开了绿灯。此举推翻了司法部在选举获得认证之前不会调查选民欺诈的长期政策。该政策背后的理论是,该部门的责任是起诉犯罪,而不是卷入选举纠纷。巴尔的政策逆转被一些人解读为他可能会利用该部门帮助特朗普推翻选举的迹象。
唐纳德·艾尔:比尔·巴尔重新选举总统的竞选活动违宪
但巴尔告诉我,他已经得出结论,极不可能存在足以影响选举规模的证据。他原以为特朗普会输,因此对结果并不感到意外。他也知道,在某个时候,特朗普会就这些指控与他对质,他想说他已经调查过这些指控,而且这些指控毫无根据。因此,除了批准检察官对明确可信的重大欺诈指控展开调查外,巴尔还开始对总统及其盟友提出的主要指控进行自己的非官方调查。
“我的态度是:现在是休息时间或闭嘴时间,”巴尔告诉我。 “如果有欺诈的证据,我也没有压制的动机。但我一直怀疑那里什么都没有。都是胡说八道。”
司法部最终没有对选民欺诈进行正式调查,但作为巴尔非正式审查的一部分,他向密歇根州的美国检察官询问了特朗普声称底特律神秘的“选票倾销”确保拜登在该州获胜的说法。
作为欺诈的证据,特朗普的盟友指出视频显示,在晚上 8 点之后,到达底特律 TCF 中心的装满选票的箱子将被计算在内。投票的截止日期。但巴尔很快发现,这是一个合乎逻辑的解释。这与底特律所在地韦恩县的 662 个选区如何将他们的选票制成表格有关。 “在其他每个县,他们都在选区点票,但在韦恩县,他们把选票带到一个中央点票点。所以箱子整夜都进来了。盒子进来的事实——嗯,这就是他们所做的。”
此外,特朗普在底特律对阵拜登的表现比他在 2016 年对阵希拉里克林顿的表现要好。拜登在底特律得到的选票比克林顿少 1,000 票,而特朗普得到的选票比四年前多 5,000 票。特朗普并没有因为底特律的“非法”选票而失去密歇根州。他失去了密歇根,因为拜登在郊区击败了他。
巴尔还调查了有关全国投票机被操纵将特朗普选票转换为拜登选票的指控。他听取了国土安全部和联邦调查局网络安全专家的两次简报。 “我们从一开始就意识到这只是胡说八道,”巴尔告诉我,并指出即使机器以某种方式改变了计数,但在手工重新计数时也会显示出来。 “这是一台计数机,他们保存所有被计数的东西。所以你只需调和两者。没有任何地方报告有差异,我仍然不知道有任何差异。”
与 Balsamo 共进午餐后,Barr 和 Levi 前往白宫与白宫幕僚长 Mark Meadows 进行了原定的会面。在与 Meadows 简短交谈后,他们上楼去了白宫法律顾问 Pat Cipollone 的办公室。在他们协商时,一名律师的助手敲门,告诉西波隆总统想见他,然后助手指着巴尔说:“他正在找你。”
巴尔、列维和西波隆走到椭圆形办公室附近的总统私人餐厅。特朗普坐在桌边。梅多斯双臂交叉坐在他旁边。白宫顾问埃里克·赫施曼站在一旁。在场的几个人都向我描述了这次会议的细节。有人告诉我,特朗普有“疯子的眼睛和举止”。
他离开了巴尔。
特朗普对他说:“我想你已经注意到我没有和你说过太多话。” “我一直让你一个人待着。”
巴尔后来告诉其他人,这条评论让人想起电影《奇爱博士》中的一句话,其中主角杰克·D·里珀准将说:“曼德拉克,我并不回避女性,但我确实否认她们是我的本质。”巴尔认为,特朗普是在说他一直在否认他的本质。
特朗普提到了巴尔的美联社采访。
“你是这么说的?”
“是的,”巴尔回答。
“你他妈的怎么可以这样对我?你为什么这么说?”
“因为这是真的。”
总统脸色铁青,用第三人称称自己:“你一定讨厌特朗普。你一定讨厌特朗普。”
阅读:特朗普如何试图发动政变
巴尔认为总统是在试图控制自己,但他似乎比见过他更生气。他的脸红了。除了特朗普正在观看的那个频道之外,巴尔的美联社采访占据了所有有线新闻频道的主导地位。房间里的电视被调到右翼的、亲特朗普的网络 One America News,该网络正在播放密歇根州立法机构的委员会听证会。听证会以大规模选举舞弊的指控为特色,包括一位名叫梅丽莎·卡罗内 (Melissa Carone) 的女性的证词,她曾在底特律的计票地点工作,并告诉委员会,“在 TCF 中心发生的一切都是欺诈。每一件事。”第二天,Carone 将再次作证,旁边是 Rudy Giuliani,在此期间,她口齿不清,似乎喝醉了。 (Carone 后来否认她喝醉了。)
“他们看到箱子进去了!”特朗普大喊大叫,指的是关于非法选票箱被清点的故事。
“你知道,总统先生,韦恩县有 662 个辖区,”巴尔说。特朗普似乎吃了一惊,因为他知道确切的数字。 “这是唯一一个所有箱子都集中在一个地方的县,而且这次你在那里的表现实际上比上次要好。你一直说司法部不看这些东西,我们正在以负责任的方式看待它。但是你的人一直在铲除这些狗屎。”
当特朗普咆哮着其他欺诈的例子时,梅多斯继续双臂交叉静静地坐着,他的姿势表明他也对巴尔的所作所为感到不安。
“你知道,总统先生,你只有五周的时间在选举后提出法律挑战,”巴尔说。 “这将需要一个具有真正连贯和纪律严明的策略的饼干团队。相反,你有一个小丑表演。没有自尊的律师会靠近它。这只是一个玩笑。这就是为什么你在你所在的地方。”
有趣的是,当巴尔告诉他他的“小丑秀”法律团队浪费时间时,特朗普并没有反驳。事实上,他说,“你可能是对的。”
在经历了他的一连串指控——被盗选票、假选票、死人投票、被操纵的投票机——之后,特朗普转而诉诸其他不满,因为巴尔未能起诉拜登的儿子亨特而大喊大叫。 “如果那是我的孩子之一,他们就会满脑子都是他!”他说。到会议结束时,特朗普几乎完成了所有的谈话。为什么巴尔没有在大选前公布约翰达勒姆关于俄罗斯调查起源的报告?他为什么不起诉前联邦调查局局长詹姆斯康梅?特朗普正在敲桌子。他说巴尔一文不值。
巴尔离开时,他不确定自己是否还有工作。特朗普刚刚解雇了他吗?如果没有,他不应该退出吗?为什么在总统刚刚对他说的话之后仍然是司法部长?他的地位已经悬而未决。
第二天早上,巴尔接到了梅多斯的电话。 “我认为有办法解决这个问题,”梅多斯告诉他。他可以阻止特朗普解雇他,但他希望巴尔保证他不会辞职。 “你愿意留下吗?”梅多斯问道。
“我不会用沙袋给你,”巴尔说。 “如果我要离开,我会警告你,2号,只要我需要,我就会留下来。”
巴尔几乎立即开始后悔他留下的决定。他关于选举舞弊的声明并没有阻止特朗普,他现在几乎只听朱利安尼和他政府以外的其他人的意见。 They were telling him that he was still going to win the election.
两周后,巴尔去白宫告诉总统,他计划在年底前辞职。这是他们交锋后的第一次见面。为了缓和紧张局势,巴尔写了一封热情洋溢的辞职信,当他到达椭圆形办公室时,他将信交给了总统。这封信赞扬了特朗普的记录,并直接反映了他对民主党人如何对待他的抱怨,称他的努力“遭到了党派对你的猛烈抨击,没有任何策略,无论多么辱骂和欺骗,都是越界的。 ”
当巴尔坐在他对面时,特朗普读了这封信。 “这很好,”他说。
Jonathan D. Karl 是 ABC 新闻的华盛顿首席记者。他关于特朗普政府最后几天的书《背叛》将于 2021 年 11 月 16 日由达顿出版。
Inside William Barr’s Breakup With Trump
In the final months of the administration, the doggedly loyal attorney general finally had enough.

Donald trump is a man consumed with grievance against people he believes have betrayed him, but few betrayals have enraged him more than what his attorney general did to him. To Trump, the unkindest cut of all was when William Barr stepped forward and declared that there had been no widespread fraud in the 2020 election, just as the president was trying to overturn Joe Biden’s victory by claiming that the election had been stolen.
In a series of interviews with me this spring, Barr spoke, for the first time, about the events surrounding his break with Trump. I have also spoken with other senior officials in the Trump White House and Justice Department, who provided additional details about Barr’s actions and the former president’s explosive response. Barr and those close to him have a reason to tell his version of this story. He has been widely seen as a Trump lackey who politicized the Justice Department. But when the big moment came after the election, he defied the president who expected him to do his bidding.
Barr’s betrayal came on December 1, over lunch in the attorney general’s private dining room with Michael Balsamo, a Justice Department beat reporter at the Associated Press. Also in attendance were the DOJ chief of staff, Will Levi, and spokesperson Kerri Kupec. Balsamo was not told the reason for the invitation. When Barr dropped his bombshell between bites of salad, he mumbled, and Balsamo wasn’t sure that he had caught what the attorney general had said.
“Just to be crystal clear,” Balsamo asked, “are you saying—”
“Sir, I think you better repeat what you just said,” Kupec interjected.
“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Barr repeated. This time Balsamo heard him.
Balsamo’s story appeared on the AP newswire shortly after lunch ended: “Disputing Donald Trump’s persistent baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department had uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.”
The story blew a hole in the president’s claims. Nobody seriously questioned Barr’s conservative credentials or whether he had been among Trump’s most loyal cabinet secretaries. His conclusion sent a definitive message that the effort to overturn the election was without merit.
Barr told me that Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell had been urging him to speak out since mid-November. Publicly, McConnell had said nothing to criticize Trump’s allegations, but he told Barr that Trump’s claims were damaging to the country and to the Republican Party. Trump’s refusal to concede was complicating McConnell’s efforts to ensure that the GOP won the two runoff elections in Georgia scheduled for January 5.
To McConnell, the road to maintaining control of the Senate was simple: Republicans needed to make the argument that with Biden soon to be in the White House, it was crucial that they have a majority in the Senate to check his power. But McConnell also believed that if he openly declared Biden the winner, Trump would be enraged and likely act to sabotage the Republican Senate campaigns in Georgia. Barr related his conversations with McConnell to me. McConnell confirms the account.
“Look, we need the president in Georgia,” McConnell told Barr, “and so we cannot be frontally attacking him right now. But you’re in a better position to inject some reality into this situation. You are really the only one who can do it.”
“I understand that,” Barr said. “And I’m going to do it at the appropriate time.”
On another call, McConnell again pleaded with Barr to come out and shoot down the talk of widespread fraud.
“Bill, I look around, and you are the only person who can do it,” McConnell told him.
Levi, the Justice Department chief of staff, had also been urging Barr to contradict Trump’s assertions. But Barr had said nothing publicly to indicate that he disagreed with the president about the election. In fact, the week after the election, he gave prosecutors the green light to investigate “substantial allegations” of vote irregularities that “could potentially impact the outcome” of the election. The move overturned long-standing policy that the Justice Department does not investigate voter fraud until after an election is certified. The theory behind the policy is that the department’s responsibility is to prosecute crimes, not to get involved in election disputes. Barr’s reversal of the policy was interpreted by some as a sign that he might use the department to help Trump overturn the election.
But Barr told me he had already concluded that it was highly unlikely that evidence existed that would tip the scales in the election. He had expected Trump to lose and therefore was not surprised by the outcome. He also knew that at some point, Trump was going to confront him about the allegations, and he wanted to be able to say that he had looked into them and that they were unfounded. So, in addition to giving prosecutors approval to open investigations into clear and credible allegations of substantial fraud, Barr began his own, unofficial inquiry into the major claims that the president and his allies were making.
“My attitude was: It was put-up or shut-up time,” Barr told me. “If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it. But my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there. It was all bullshit.”
The Department of Justice ended up conducting no formal investigations of voter fraud, but as part of Barr’s informal review, he asked the U.S. Attorney in Michigan about Trump’s claim that mysterious “ballot dumps” in Detroit had secured Biden’s victory in the state.
As proof of fraud, Trump’s allies had pointed to videos showing boxes filled with ballots arriving at the TCF Center, in Detroit, to be counted after the 8 p.m. deadline for votes to be cast. But Barr quickly found that there was a logical explanation. It had to do with how the 662 precincts in Wayne County, home to Detroit, tabulate their votes. “In every other county, they count the ballots at the precinct, but in Wayne County, they bring them into one central counting place. So the boxes are coming in all night. The fact that boxes are coming in—well, that’s what they do.”
Furthermore, Trump performed better against Biden in Detroit than he had against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Biden received 1,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Clinton had, and Trump received 5,000 more votes than he had four years earlier. Trump didn’t lose Michigan because of “illegal” ballots cast in Detroit. He lost Michigan because Biden beat him badly in the suburbs.
Barr also looked into allegations that voting machines across the country were rigged to switch Trump votes to Biden votes. He received two briefings from cybersecurity experts at the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. “We realized from the beginning it was just bullshit,” Barr told me, noting that even if the machines somehow changed the count, it would show up when they were recounted by hand. “It’s a counting machine, and they save everything that was counted. So you just reconcile the two. There had been no discrepancy reported anywhere, and I’m still not aware of any discrepancy.”
After the lunch with Balsamo, Barr and Levi went to the White House for a previously scheduled meeting with Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. After talking briefly with Meadows, they went upstairs to White House Counsel Pat Cipollone’s office. As they were conferring, one of the counsel’s aides knocked on the door and told Cipollone that the president wanted to see him and then, pointing to Barr, the aide said, “And he is looking for you.”
Barr, Levi, and Cipollone walked to the president’s personal dining room near the Oval Office. Trump was sitting at the table. Meadows was sitting next to him with his arms crossed; the White House adviser Eric Herschmann stood off to the side. The details of this meeting were described to me by several people present. One told me that Trump had “the eyes and mannerism of a madman.”
He went off on Barr.
“I think you’ve noticed I haven’t been talking to you much,” Trump said to him. “I’ve been leaving you alone.”
Barr later told others that the comment was reminiscent of a line in the movie Dr. Strangelove, in which the main character, Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper, says, “I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence.” Trump, Barr thought, was saying that he had been denying him his essence.
Trump brought up Barr’s AP interview.
“Did you say that?”
“Yes,” Barr responded.
“How the fuck could you do this to me? Why did you say it?”
“Because it’s true.”
The president, livid, responded by referring to himself in the third person: “You must hate Trump. You must hate Trump.”
Barr thought that the president was trying to control himself, but he seemed angrier than he had ever seen him. His face was red. Barr’s AP interview was dominating every cable news channel except the one Trump was watching. The television in the room was tuned to the right-wing, pro-Trump network One America News, which was broadcasting a committee hearing of the Michigan legislature. The hearing featured disproven allegations of massive election fraud, including the testimony of a woman named Melissa Carone, who had worked at the counting location in Detroit and told the committee, “Everything that happened at the TCF Center was fraud. Every single thing.” The next day, Carone would testify again, next to Rudy Giuliani, during which time she slurred her words and appeared to be drunk. (Carone later denied that she had been drunk.)
“They saw the boxes going in!” Trump yelled, referring to the stories about boxes of illegal ballots being counted.
“You know, Mr. President, there are 662 precincts in Wayne County,” Barr said. Trump seemed taken aback that he knew the exact number. “It’s the only county with all the boxes going to a central place, and you actually did better there this time around than you did last time. You keep on saying that the Department of Justice is not looking at this stuff, and we are looking at it in a responsible way. But your people keep on shoveling this shit out.”
As Trump ranted about other examples of fraud, Meadows continued to sit silently with his arms crossed, his posture suggesting that he, too, was upset by what Barr had done.
“You know, you only have five weeks, Mr. President, after an election to make legal challenges,” Barr said. “This would have taken a crackerjack team with a really coherent and disciplined strategy. Instead, you have a clown show. No self-respecting lawyer is going anywhere near it. It’s just a joke. That’s why you are where you are.”
Interestingly, Trump didn’t argue when Barr told him that his “clown show” legal team had wasted time. In fact, he said, “You may be right about that.”
After going through his litany of claims—stolen ballots, fake ballots, dead people voting, rigged voting machines—Trump switched to other grievances, shouting at Barr for failing to prosecute Biden’s son Hunter. “If that had been one of my kids, they would have been all over him!” he said. By the end of the meeting, Trump was doing almost all of the talking. Why hadn’t Barr released John Durham’s report on the origins of the Russia investigation before the election? Why hadn’t he prosecuted former FBI Director James Comey? Trump was banging on the table. He said that Barr had been worthless.
As Barr left, he was unsure whether he still had a job. Had Trump just fired him? And if not, shouldn’t he quit? Why remain attorney general after what the president had just said to him? His status had been left up in the air.
The next morning, Barr received a call from Meadows. “I think there’s a way through this,” Meadows told him. He could prevent Trump from firing him, but he wanted an assurance from Barr that he wouldn’t resign. “Are you willing to stay?” Meadows asked.
“I’m not going to sandbag you,” Barr said. “I will give you a warning if I’m going to leave, and No. 2, I’ll stay as long as I’m needed.”
Barr almost immediately began to regret his decision to stay. His statement on election fraud did nothing to deter Trump, who was now listening, almost exclusively, to Giuliani and others outside his administration. They were telling him that he was still going to win the election.
Two weeks later, Barr went down to the White House to tell the president that he planned to resign before the end of the year. It was their first meeting since their confrontation. To defuse the tension, Barr had written an effusive resignation letter, which he handed to the president when he got to the Oval Office. The letter praised Trump’s record and played directly into his complaints about how he had been treated by Democrats, saying his efforts “had been met by a partisan onslaught against you in which no tactic, no matter how abusive and deceitful, was out of bounds.”
Trump read the letter while Barr was sitting across from him. “This is pretty good,” he said.
【声明】:禅世界论坛尊重言论自由,任何人可讨论佛学、政经、生活和科技等话题。言论发表前请根据常识和法规自审。论坛管理员和版主有权删除任何不当内容。使用本论坛即表示接受【禅世界论坛规则】。【论坛使用帮助】。 【禅世界免责声明】。
【Chanworld.org】2017.06.06-2021.04.30-2025.04.10-MG-RM